Dan Kois is an editor at Slate and a contributing writer to the New York Times magazine. He's the author of Facing Future, a book in the 33⅓ series of music criticism, and the co-author (with Isaac Butler) of The World Only Spins Forward, an oral history of the play Angels in America, a winner of a Stonewall Book Honor from the ALA. His memoir of parenting around the world, How to Be a Family, will be published in September 2019 by Little, Brown.

Dan and Michael talk about mixtape evangelism, the discomfort of growth, celebrating difference, first concerts, and creating memories.