Gary Barwin is a writer, musician and multimedia artist and the author of many books including the novels Yiddish for Pirates and Nothing the Same, Everything Haunted: The Ballad of Motl the Cowboy, as well as the poetry collection For It Is a Pleasure and a Surprise to Breathe: New and Selected Poems. He lives in Hamilton, Ontario. For one long strange summer, he shared a shoesize with Allen Ginsberg.

Gary and Michael talk about being a body, a sense of the numinous, instrumental music, experimental poetry, and reading Lord of the Rings in your bathrobe while smoking a pipe of oregano.