You don’t want to go too deep into thinking about the ocean without Steve Mentz as your guide, especially when you’re looking at Shakespeare’s oceans. Steve is a professor of English at St John’s University in New York City and the author and editor of many books on early modern literature, eco-poetics, and blue/oceanic humanities, including At the Bottom of Shakespeare’s Ocean, Shipwreck Modernity, the essay collection Oceanic New York, and most recently, Break Up the Anthropocene. His biography of the Ocean will be coming out next year as part of Bloomsbury’s delightful Object Lesson series. Suzanne and Chris talk with him about The Tempest, about swimming in the Atlantic, and about what happens when you consider the ocean’s perspective.